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Kelly, the daughter of Le Mars Postmaster Dan Kelly and his wife Barb, wants to be among the first women to serve on a U.S. Navy submarine.
The Navy's tradition is male-only submarine crews. In fact, women were only allowed to serve on surface combat ships starting in 1993.
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"I believe we should continue to broaden opportunities for women," Mullen said in a statement released to the press.
For Kelly, this news was exciting both personally and for women in general.
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"A lot of people have mixed views of how women actually act," she said. "The thing is, we haven't really had the chance to prove ourselves yet."
There will be people who don't do their job or who are lazy anywhere you go, male or female, she said.
"I don't want to live underneath 'Oh, she's a girl, she can't do that,'" Kelly said. "I want to break that stereotype."
Navy submarines with crews of about 140 men have small bunk rooms with nine beds squeezed in. The two crew bathrooms have a total of four showers and seven toilets. Narrow passageways make for crew members rubbing against each other when passing.
Critics of changing policy to allow women aboard submarines say putting men and women together in such cramped quarters while spending weeks underwater is a bad plan -- possibly leading to sexual harassment suits and more.
"A lot of people are concerned about what happens if a female finds out she's pregnant on the submarine or gets pregnant while she's on the submarine," Kelly said. "It's a lot of stuff to deal with."
Proponents for the change call for giving equal opportunity to men and women.
A lot of women are interested in serving on submarines, Kelly said.
If women are allowed to serve on submarines, the berth, or bunk, areas might need to be reconstructed for privacy, she pointed out.
Kelly also talked to several instructors, many of them submarine veterans, about the possible change for women.
"They say it's a completely different atmosphere on a submarine just because it's all male," she said.
Right now, Kelly is actually working on a decommissioned submarine in Charleston. All women in the nuclear program train on a decommissioned submarine before completion.
"It's kind of ironic," she said.
She's training to run and maintain the submarine's nuclear system -- one of the last steps in her training.
If she does well, she hopes to stay in Charleston and train others as a junior staff.
"If that doesn't happen I'll go straight out to a ship," Kelly said.
But her real dream is to serve on a submarine.
"Coming from a smallish town, submarines only have a couple hundred people on them, so it's definitely more of a tight-knit community," Kelly said.
Life on a submarine is hard, she said.
The crew operates not on a 24-hour day but a 16-hour day, which can be challenging to adjust to.
"And there's not going to be any replacement for you if something happens. So you definitely get good at your job," Kelly said. "And that's what I want to do. I want to be the best at what I can do, so I think a submarine would be a place to do that."
She might get a chance to test her words.
Female officers will probably be on submarines by 2010 or 2011, if the change is approved, she said.
"They say at the naval academy they're interviewing people right now to see which women want to do it and if they're qualified," Kelly said.
But she's not an officer -- she's considered "enlisted." To become one, Kelly would have to get a four-year degree, attend the naval academy or take a special program.
"Their strategy right now is they need female officers to go on there so they can teach women to lead," Kelly explained.
Next, senior enlisted women will get the option, she said.
"I'm hoping by the time they let senior enlisted on, I will be a senior enlisted," she said.
This is better news than expected, Kelly said, because before this time, most people told her women would be allowed on submarines, but probably not during her years of service.
The change is on the "fast track" now, Kelly said.
"My entire time in the Navy so far, I've been asking about this," she said. "The sooner the better."
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
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Congratulations to her, BUT it would be nice if this family actually lived in LeMars, or she actually went to school or graduated from a LeMars school. He has been postmaster for a lttle over a year, maybe two here, & actually lives in Sioux County. This is the 2nd front page article on this girl & her journey, really?? A great human event story, if the woman was actually from this area, but hardly worthy of front page news.
Great Job, no matter where they are from. The USNavy is a National level support of people from all over to serve and protect everyone. With the nature of breaking new ground for equal opportunity, I applaud the Sentinel for their front page devotion to the story. They may not be local, but close enough, they still identify with our area of the country.
It would be nice if she had been born, raised, schooled in LeMars. She wasn't, but still devoted to serving!
Congratulations to Kayla Kelly!
Wouldn't it be nice to see a Military/Veterans section in the paper? I was thinking like Friday's edition having a Freedom Friday section devoted to news of the newly recruited, active military, retired military, and Veteran members. Wouldn't that show support to our troops with some recognition? Once in the paper, these folks could be thanked in person when the opportunity arises. ( example: Hey(Name of individual), saw your picture in the paper about _____________; thanks for the great job, we appreciate it.) If people aren't aware of the news, they aren't going to recognize it or the efforts.
Just an idea. Anyone else think this is a good idea?
I think the idea proposed by ADifferentView is a great one. I hope the folks at the Sentinel read these comments and feel the same way. If nothing else, it would make me want to pick up at least the Friday edition.
The story is not entirely accurate...
-Currently, there are NO women serving on U.S. submarines.
-Boats do not operate on a "16 hour" schedule. Watches are 6 hours in length. You are probably refering to the morning, afternoon, and evening watches which constitute 18 hours. But the section that had the morning watch also has the next mid-watch...sometimes creating a 24-36 hour "day." Often times others are also up on the mid-watch performing maintenance or prepping for the next days events (drills, exams etc.)
-The "decommissioned" subs are not empty hulks. They are fully operational enginerooms with fully operational nuclear reactors that are attached to the pier...hence the name "Moored Training Ship." Yes, many female nukes get their training on these "boats" that never spend a single minute of a single day underway...do not compare these units to operational units.
-Do not compare life on a submarine to that of aviation, the surface fleet...or any other branch of service for this country or any other. It is NOT the same.
I am commenting on the artical about women wanting to rode subs.
I served 20 plus years on subs most of that time on fast attact boats.
Our days were 24 hour days with somtimes 3 section watyches on a 4 hour time frame but a lot of times we were on port and starbord or 2 section watches in which you stood 6 hour watches.
This was during the time fram of 50's thur 70's.
Maybe times may have changed now.
I have mixed fellings about woman riding the boats.
One thing I will say is you need to hold your own. The last station I was at was New London Ct Sub Base. at the Hosp. I was the only non med personal there.
I did help several woman get ahead and were proud to serve in the US Navy.
If woman are put on subs it will be a very new experance if things are like the time I served onm the boats.
Wayne Davison USN RET. MMC(SS)
waynedavison@hotmail.com
SubGuy,
-Do not compare life on a submarine to that of aviation, the surface fleet...or any other branch of service for this country or any other. It is NOT the same.
What do you called it when a Marine or Army Soldier taking incoming fire in Iraq or Afghanistan, a walk in the park? A real Veteran would never put down another military branch like you did in your comment. I know a few wanna-be's that do, because they claim they served but they did not. You dis-honor our military hero's.....you dis-honored all veterans that gave their lifes....
Fadesharley. I didn't disrespect anyone. The typical response is that if women can serve on surface ships it can work on submarines. Wrong...that's apples to oranges. The prototype that this girl is working at...apples to oranges. That's my point. Have you served on a sub? I guarantee you it is completely different that any other atmosphere in the military...not better...not worse...just 150% completely different and uncomparable. Read my response more clearly...I gave no branch any disrespect.
and BTW Fadesharley, I did serve in Afghanistan as a volunteer on an IA tour and have seen shipmates blown up...so I feel more than qualified to make statements regarding this topic. Have you?