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Eliminating electoral college could impact Le Mars

Tuesday, March 3, 2009
Before he was president, Barack Obama shook Le Mars residents' hands. He answered their questions. He stopped at the fairgrounds and spoke in the Plymouth County Historical Museum.

Not only that, locals had face time with other major players in the 2008 presidential race. Hillary Clinton. John McCain. Joe Biden.

But an idea is pushing through Iowa's Senate (and around the nation) that would virtually take Le Mars off the political map.

Dubbed the "National Popular Vote Bill," the legislation would change the nation's presidential election so the candidate that receives the most popular votes across the nation wins the presidency.

Currently, the president is chosen through electoral college votes. Each state in the union has a number of electoral votes; Iowa has seven.

On election day, the 538 electors generally cast ballots based on the popular vote in their state. It takes 270 votes to win.

The new law would bypass the electoral college.

But, according to Iowa Sen. Randy Feenstra, the bill would also basically bypass the participation of Iowa, and even Le Mars, in the presidential election.

Iowa's 3 million votes, he said, would be far overshadowed by larger states, and even larger cities like New York or Houston.

"Iowa will never again be part of the system to elect a new president," Feenstra said. "Iowa would no longer have any voice in the electoral process."

But proponents of the change say some states are already in this position. States where candidates are either ahead or behind by a large margin would be ignored, with the candidates figuring the battle there is already decided.

According to a website promoting the change to a popular vote, www.nationalpopularvote.com, two-third of the states are ignored during elections while candidates flock to "battleground" of "swing" states -- those where the race is close.

The website also states in 2004, candidates spent more than 99 percent of their money in 16 states.

Feenstra argued those "swing states" change from decade to decade.

"I looked back, and in the last 40 years, virtually every state in the union was a swing state at some point," Feenstra said.

Going to a popular vote would mean Iowa could kiss candidate buses and townhall gatherings with presidential front-runners goodbye, Feenstra said.

While some argue that the Iowa caucus would still keep attention on the state since it is the first caucus in the nation, Feenstra disagreed.

"Presidential candidates won't come to the caucus because they don't need Iowa any more. They need the big states," Feenstra said.

Mary Albrecht, a Le Mars resident, saw Republican presidential candidates John McCain and Mike Huckabee when they came through Le Mars.

"The access we have is a wonderful gift," she said. "It is so unique. I have lived in Nebraska, Washington state and Ohio, and never before have I had the opportunity to meet high profile political names. It's almost impossible unless you're well-connected or willing to wait in super long lines."

Albrecht took three of her children to see candidate John McCain when he made a stop in Le Mars in October 2007.

"I wanted my kids to meet a candidate. I thought it would ignite them," she said. "My children were fascinated with the election process. They watched the news on it. And I think it started by taking them to see a real-life person."

That was her motivation for going as well -- to see the candidates with her own eyes.

"When you're 10 feet away from someone, they seem like a real person, not a sound bite," she said, adding that she read about the proposed change to a popular vote system for U.S. presidential elections.

"Why would anybody think this is good for Iowa?" she asked.

The change could also potentially impact the Iowa Straw Poll, which draws voters from all over the state to Ames in August during an election cycle to make their early pick for Republican candidate for president when there is no incumbent.

Iowa would not be the only place impacted, Feenstra argued.

The electoral college system, he said, weights states allowing small states to have some voice in the election process.

"Our founding fathers realized that this was going to be a problem. They looked at a popular vote, but they said, 'This is not a good idea because it gives the big states all the power,'" Feenstra said.

Those in favor of the popular vote system argue that, even though a candidate earns the most popular votes, he or she could still lose with the electoral college system.

Feenstra said he sees this bill as taking power away from states.

"The Constitution is there for us to abide by, not to whimsically throw it out the window when it doesn't fit our needs," Feenstra said.

Dave Hector, a civics teacher at Le Mars Community Middle School, said he didn't have a solid opinion one way or another, but he leaned toward change.

"It would make every individual vote count a little more," he said of the National Popular Vote. "I hope it would create more participation -- if people see their vote matters, they might get more involved."

In some states, Hector said, voters might get discouraged by seeing that a certain candidate was projected to win the electoral votes and decide not to cast a ballot themselves.

"Going to a popular vote might get more participation; it might increase voter turnout," he said.

With a popular vote system, bigger states and urban areas would attract more attention from candidates, but going to a popular vote might increase candidates' attention to states with even less electoral votes than Iowa, Hector said.

"We've done it with the electoral college so long it's hard to imagine what the impact might be," he said.

Doing away with the electoral college isn't the only option states have, he pointed out.

For example, Maine and Nebraska residents don't give all their electoral votes as one package to the one candidate who wins the state's popular vote. Those two states' electoral votes are cast separately, based on popular vote in each congressional district.

The proposed National Popular Vote bill passed out of an Iowa Senate committee and will be on the Senate floor for debate sometime in the next few weeks, Feenstra said.

To approve the nationwide change, enough states with a majority of electoral votes -- 270, the same number it takes to elect a president -- have to enact the bill in identical form to make the change.

On election day, those states would award all of their electoral votes, as a unified body, to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and Washington D.C.

"We anticipate 15-18 states are needed to all enter into a compact to give up their electoral votes," Feenstra said.

The National Popular Vote bill has been enacted by Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, and Maryland, according to the website www.nationalpopularvote.com. These four states possess 50 electoral votes -- nearly 20 percent of the 270 votes needed to make the change.


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Call me simple but isn't this a no-brainer??????

How can you have a democracy when a President can be (and has been) elected with less votes than an opponent!!!! The very basis of a democracy is that MAJORITY RULES!!!!!

Iowa's vote will count much more when EVERY vote counts and not just the ones in States with a traditional support for one of the major players.

-- Posted by Don_Roberts on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 5:01 PM

Don Roberts, You are simple.

This Country was not a Democracy...The Government of United States of America was formed as a Constitutional Republic.

The Electoral College is one of the last vestiges of our Republic.

Here is the Definition of a Republic -

According to Webster's unabridged Dictionary, a Republic is "A form of government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law."

A Republic is a government based on the rule of law. In the Republican form of government, the power rests in a written Constitution, wherein the powers of government are limited so that the people retain the maximum amount of power themselves. In addition to limiting the power of government, care is also taken to limit the power of the people to restrict the rights of both the majority and the minority.

And a Democracy -

Democracy---Government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly involving periodically held free elections.

Democracy is Mob Rule.

See below what Ben, John, Karl, Vladimir and Winston have to say about Democracy.

Ben Franklin said "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the REPUBLIC."

"Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

-- John Adams, letter to John Taylor, April 15, 1814

Democracy is the road to socialism." Karl Marx

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism," Vladimir Lenin.

Winston Churchill...."The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

-- Posted by ClearThinker on Tue, Mar 3, 2009, at 7:31 PM

Glad it has been confirmed I'm simple, and for the following reasons, I'm glad I am.

You are free to stick to your hotchspotch system where a candidate spends hundreds of millions for a job that pays a couple of hundred grand a year (and you think there is no pay back for those donations......yeah right), and vote under an ancient system that was designed before half the citizens had the right to vote.

I'll continue to live in a democracy where the "mob rule" can battle the corrupt dollar that systems such as your "Republic" has created.

One thing I'm glad about though is the apparent apathy cos obviously alot of Iowans don't care and those are the ones I most like meeting.

-- Posted by Don_Roberts on Wed, Mar 4, 2009, at 2:20 AM

Don_Roberts you seem like a nice person and I realize you don't know anything about the history/forming of this great country....wait a sec...you seem to know as much as any recent U.S. public school grad...but I repeat myself.

As far as the "corrupt" American dollar....you didn't seem to mind when it was supplying men, planes, tanks and warships to protect your country in WW2.

One of the reasons for the Republic is that Iowa would have as much or almost as much pull as New York or California.

In a Democracy Iowans voices would be drowned out by the mob.

The original republican form of government is what made this country great.

Democracy come Socialism is what caused this mess.

For the record this has NOT been a Free-Market Capitalist economy since FDR.

Why aren't our public schools teaching this?

God Bless.

-- Posted by ClearThinker on Tue, Mar 10, 2009, at 5:33 PM

As far as this topic goes, I'm in agreement with ClearThinker and Feenstra 100%. The electoral college ensures that the "fly-over states" are equally represented in presidential elections. If we get rid of the electoral college, presidential candidates would have no reason to visit with (or listen to) the heartland of America.

Additionally, take a look at the national county-by-county electoral map from any of the recent past elections. Rural America is overwhelmingly Republican and high-density population centers are overwhelmingly Democratic. You start ignoring rural America and you are basically writing off conservative voters.

I'm a true blue liberal/progressive Democrat and I don't want to see any political viewpoint marginalized, no matter how much I disagree with it.

-- Posted by TJ Templeton on Wed, Mar 11, 2009, at 6:18 PM

Someone throw a glass of water on ClearThinker...she has fainted.

TJ Templeton - Alright...what are you up to? lol

-- Posted by ClearThinker on Thu, Mar 12, 2009, at 3:30 PM


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