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Food Stamps An Economic Stimulus?

Posted Friday, October 14, 2011, at 9:06 AM

If you listened to music in the early '90s you might remember the song "Things That Make You Go Hmmmm..." by C & C Music Factory. When I stumbled across this article about former governor (and current Secretary of Agriculture) Tom Vilsack commenting on food stamps, thats honestly what I was thinking.... hmmmmmmm......

In a recent interview Mr. Vilsack stated, "...when you talk about the SNAP program or the food stamp program, you have to recognize that it's also an economic stimulus. Every dollar of SNAP benefits generates $1.84 in the economy in terms of economic activity. If people are able to buy a little more in the grocery store, someone has to stock it, package it, shelve it, process it, ship it. All of those are jobs. It's the most direct stimulus you can get in the economy during these tough times."

While I believe Mr. Vilsack's logic to be sound, I just can't quite wrap my head around the whole concept of food stamps helping provide jobs. I guess my first hang up is the fact that food stamps are a government program for people that don't have jobs or don't make enough money to get groceries. So is he saying that by people not having jobs we are creating jobs?

Second of all, one of the biggest boosters for a grocery store is a recession, and it's not because of food stamps - it's because of the simplicity of thinking. In a recession people have less money to spend on extras - like eating out - and choose to make their money stretch further by buying food at the grocery store. This in turn does increase sales, which increases the need for stocking and shipping, just like Mr. Vilsack said. And as the wife of a grocery trucker, I can definitely tell you that sales have been up the past few years.

Lastly, is this really stimulating the economy, or just a very small piece of it? Though groceries are a big market because everyone needs them, they are still a small part of business in general. Not to mention that many grocery stores that hire for stockers, checkers etc. don't offer full time jobs except on management level to cut costs. The warehouses offer many jobs on both levels, but you can have one warehouse serve over 100 stores, cutting a need to have an extensive amount of employees. So why some jobs have been created due to this boom - wether from food stamps or recession - I don't see that enough quality jobs will have been created to begin it's own "economic stimulus". Plus in Vilsack's theory, what happens when all these people on food stamps go off of them?

While a society can be defined by its people, I don't believe we should be defining ourselves as the people on food stamps, thus creating jobs. And I would hope that the president's men are coming up with something better than handing out more of our tax dollars to create job growth. While I have many theories about what they could do to create job growth, I would like to remind Mr. Vilsack that even though he's got a big title now, he's still connected with Iowa and his words, are a reflection on us... and these words in my mind, just make us go hmmmm....


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Actually food consumption increases as prosperity increases (to a degree) just as the inverse is true. Whether eating out or cooking at home, the consumption of food remains. As far as actual consumption goes, more people are likely to waste food when eating out than at home. But the purchase of food isn't directly connected to the consumption, it is only a large percentage. We lose a lot of food from harvest throughout our chain of distribution, right up to the consumer (actually consuming) and have much waste for multiple reasons each step of the way.

We have developed a large innefficient infrastructure to distribute food that continues to raise the cost far from the production of the actual ingredients. As long as this continues, our effectiveness to be able to reduce world hunger will continue to be further and further from our reach. It will, however, continue to create more and more jobs in transportation and processing. Foodstamps and other governmental aid will continue to escalate upon our society as these costs continue to increase and our job situations see a new light.

The new job structure, from a management perspective is changing. as benefits and health care costs continue to rise, employers continue to look for ways to cut costs the new solution is coming out of the Nevada test bed. We are seeing a trend of less full time employees and more part time employees (to reduce benefit expenses) with the part time employees working more hours per week to maintain the same level of 'income'. Even though the employee is wroking more hours, it is over multiple part time jobs and has less benefits. The employer can maintain the same benefit package in advertising and still offer it only to full timers as the number of full time emloyees decrease. Full time employees will dwindle to only salaried employees who are typically management, and maybe only upper management. This evolution of the workforce is being monitored by businesses very closely. Walmart, Target, and a few other chains have already implemented portions of this idea over the past years. Part- timers also tend to be paid less per hour (not including the benefits) and that saves the company even more money. Thus the employee must work more hours at another job. This in turn increases the dependency of food stamps. Food stamps are paid for by the taxes of the taxpayers. Taxpayers are not created equal, as we know from the news and national demonstrations.

The $1.85 from $1 is pretty close to accurate when you do the math this way. And the math applies to the businesses, not the employees.

-- Posted by Michael Lamb on Wed, Oct 19, 2011, at 11:06 PM

Looking at the various data from the national level and state levels show a considerable increase in participants of SNAP.

Some relevant sources for examples include: http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly...

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/qc/pdfs/200...

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/r...

SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM

( Data as of September 29, 2011)

ANNUAL SUMMARY Of INDIVIDUAL RECIPIENTS

FY 2010 40.3 million

FY 2009 33.5 million

FY 2008 28.2 million

FY 2007 26.5 million

FY 2006 26.7 million

FY 2005 25.7 million

Using a wider time spread view on National level, we see 25.7 million recipients in FY 2005 as compared to 40.3 million recipients FY 2010 for individual recipients. The increase in recipients continues to climb at a faster rate as the time span decreases when keeping FY2010 as the placeholder.

The theory that SNAP promotes economic growth stems from the premise that those in need are more likely to return the funds into the economy by spending what they get to survive. There is also a high correlation between state child poverty rates and state food stamp recipiency rates; which is considerably higher than the association between child poverty and state unemployment rates. But I believe these correlations have a tremendous affect to the other figure correlations if corrections are not implemented to correct the problem; and that the problem weaves tighter correlations until all 3 feed upon each other in a negative economic direction.

Employment fracturing adds to the problem and may only temporarily show up in the numbers due to the stigma of using the SNAP or other government assistance programs and the short term duration of elegibility. Add to the economic woes the foreclosure rates and you have a very conservative lifestyle that spends only upon essentials that increasingly becomes trimmed towards survival.

While I cannot say that the $1 becoming $1.85 is fact, it does follow the trend I spoke of business wise. Actual amounts will obviously fluctuate depending upon how the figures are derived and how the benefit amounts are computed. The businesses that are negatiely impacted by this are the healthcare/insurance industry when looking at the number of participants vs claims; however, this sector receives other forms of correction to offset these costs.

SNAP is not actually the best measure of the problem though as there are strict requirements that prevent some potential recipients.

Of course we have other incentives to increase economic recovery that actually stimulates the Nevada Project to businesses; IRS form 8850. While this at first glance appears to get the distressed and unemployed to work, it can also work against economic recovery by creating more part timers. In such a case, the economic growth is to the business and to some degree the government, but not the economy because the over-all benefits are reduced and thus the realized gain decreased. Benefits must be considered when looking at these numbers as to being a burden/load on the government, business, individual, or the economy as a whole.

Should we add to this mess with the "returning to the workforce Veterans"? This is a whole other problem that again causes huge fluctuations of the numbers in a negative direction. Military personnel who serve their country find themselves without the support or assistance they need when returning due to lack of certification/qualification, even though they have the practical skill sets to do the job. The level of support given to the Veterans appears on the surface to be high, while in actuality these folks find a safety net full of holes and weak support. I have heard from most military veterans that the skills they learned while in the military were not able to be transferred to civilian life because most employers won't recognize the experience the Veteran has. Vets are looked upon as harder to assimilate than a green college grad into the workforce! This could be corrected by providing certification/testing for service work performed that is recognized by the civilian businesses. The key to keeping these Veterans on an economic recovery growth for the nation and themselves, would be for these Veterans to be hired within 90 days of receiving their DD-214, receiving pay and compensation that rivals what they had while serving.

While this isn't a direct math problem, it sure does have numbers that indicate significant problems and support my outlook/viewpoint.

-- Posted by Michael Lamb on Tue, Oct 25, 2011, at 2:23 PM

I think I can be of help here.

The process behind welfare benefits as economic stimulus is actually pretty straight forward. The observation that food stamps stimulate the economy gained notice following a report by Moody's Economy showing that food stamps and unemployment insurance have the greatest return on investment (ROI), economically speaking. This goes for debt reduction as well as job creation. A chart that accompanied the Moody's report can be seen here:

http://www.epi.org/page/-/img/20081022sn...

In it, you see that for every dollar spent on food stamps, $1.74 is generated; whereas extending the Bush era tax cuts actually create a drain on the economy -- generating only a third of what is "spent". I.e.: For every dollar cut in taxes, the return is only about 30 cents. Remember when we were told that "These tax cuts will pay for themselves" and "These tax cuts will create a million jobs"? Good times. Good times.

So how does all this work? To put it simply, a poor person lives paycheck to paycheck and every dime they get goes directly back into the economy. A person of substantial means will retain some of their money. A millionaire who gets a few extra thousand on their tax return isn't going to go out and spend it right away. They'll hold onto it, invest it, whatever. But they won't immediately pump that back into the economy. And that's what the economy is: the exchange of currency. The problem with our economy now is not enough people exchanging currency. So if you want to get money changing hands again, the poor are the most efficient way to do that.

How does it create jobs?

When a person goes to the store and buys something, they are creating demand. It's demand that drives the economy and creates jobs. We are constantly told that the rich are job creators who bestow jobs upon us from the goodness of their hearts and that they'd bestow more jobs upon us of only we could allow them to continue hoarding more wealth; but the truth is that it is demand that creates jobs. The rich "job creators" could all die tomorrow, and our economy would still only reflect the demand that necessitates supply.

When you go to the grocery store, you don't just create demand for the products you buy but you create a demand for the person who manufactured the products, the person who shipped the products, the person who stocked the products, the person who rang up the products, and the person who bagged your products. This is the job creation. This is how a dollar spent on food stamps generates more than a dollar in economic stimulus.

I hope that helps.

-- Posted by TJ Templeton on Mon, Nov 28, 2011, at 11:04 AM


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